Why sidewalks are not Green
The New York Times today puts the finger on cement plants:
[M]aking cement means making pollution, in the form of carbon dioxide emissions. Cement plants account for 5 percent of global emissions of carbon dioxide, the main cause of global warming. Cement has no viable recycling potential; each new road, each new building needs new cement.
posted by Miles Maguire at 11:38 AM
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Good thing your sidewalks are in before the moratorium on any new sidewalks takes effect!
You people have all the luck.
Yeah, I am sure most people here in Oshkosh are more concerned with the battle and than the actual build.
As example refer to 1st irreverent anonymous post regarding this subject.
Anyway, sidewalks do NOT have to be made from mined materials, they could be made from a number of recycled products.
"Oh, when will we ever learn??"
I don't know why some sidewalks are NOT green. But I think some who voted for certain walks were green with envy at the time. Pathetic Paul Esslinger was jealous because the River Mill folks didn't have walks and he just couldn't stand it. He loves being able to pay people back and he accomplished that this time around. He may have won the battle but he'll lose the war. Couldn't happen to a more irritating guy.
Following that thinking, if Paul goes, so will Dennis, Frank and Tony. They all voted for sidewalks in River Mill. Bryan would have too if the plan would have been more universal. The only two who didn't want it at all were Jessica and Burk. I think the one that will really be gone is Jess because shes after a higher office.
12:02, you may be right about some of those council members. But Esslinger is the one who brought it forward and Esslinger is the one who most people say is rude and nasty to people coming before the council. They have less tolerance for him than the others. As for King, you don't read so well. She hasn't made up her mind if she's running for a higher office or not. Even if she does, so what? She's better than Roessler and cares more about the community. And she could serve in both offices.
Let me see if I understand this "green" argument. A trail of concrete about, what, 3 or 4 feet wide and the concrete factories are detrimental to our environment. What about those oversized houses on River Mill Road? How many square feet of concrete did those things impose on the delicate environment? How many of those over-priced houses that take up thousands of square feet for sometimes only one or two people, are built on concrete from the nasty CO2 producing factories? What about the River Mill argument that sidewalks are desperately needed in other parts of Oshkosh? Are sidewalks not equally damaging elsewhere?
I could maybe understand the argument if we were talking about a modest neighborhood of average sized houses. Drive down River Mill Road. Most of those houses are far from average. Ironically, these environmentally concerned people also have fire pits and charcoal grills, water their lawns and non-native plant landscaping all summer, use gas mowers and trimmers, and drive some of the most environmentally damaging gas-guzzlers in the U.S.
Let's look at the bigger picture. Is this really about the environment or is this about personality conflicts and just being mad they didn't get their way.
Right on Kent.
Just the River Mill whiners complaining that they didn't get their way. If you’re wealthy you just aren’t used to being told what to do. You rather give orders than take orders. The River Mill people continue to whine even though the concrete is in. The Menomonee Drive people will also continue to whine all the while the Otter Street Club is building that wonderful children’s fishing pier.
Whiners are a pain in the asset.
Should we be at all surprised that Kent Monte has popped up once again to defend his pal Paul Esslinger? Esslinger panders by talking about safety only to vote against safety at a meeting a few weeks later. Kent Monte's not a rocket scientist but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how stupid you look constantly defending the actions of a hypocrite. There's got to be a short circuit somewhere that Monte can't see the forest for the trees.
-Walking trails/sidewalks can be made from various materials other than concrete.
-Old concrete is crushed and recycled for new uses.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Did you want a ban on concrete? What about your driveways?
McTwist
The point is that the sidewalks were presented as a way of furthering the goals of livability and sustainability.
They do not meet those goals.
Citizens, no matter what side of an issue they find themselves on, should be wary of politicians who say one thing and do another.
Excellent phrase that fits this thread:
"Whiners are a pain in the asset"
Quit whining about your sidewalks. They are in and it was worth the effort. The kids fishing dock will be in soon too and just like the sidewalks, worth the effort.
You say potatoe I say potato. You think the sidewalks are great; we think they were a worthless waste of money. Still waiting for Pandering Paul to grace the neighborhood. Is he afraid he might get booed as he walked by?? And the fishing dock, well that's another story all together. We'll see how great you think it is the first time someone falls in and sues the city for no railings. What brilliance some of you have!
4:03-
BlaBlaBla - Whine Whine Whine
Keep those sidewalks clear of ice and snow this winter!
first time someone falls in and sues the YOU for not shoveling!
Another brilliant comment from the sidewalk pushers (6:46AM). You're comparing snow shoveling to railings missing from a fishing pier designed with kids and the handicapped in mind (uh, yup, that's real safe. Where was Paul Essinger on that one?)?? I doubt I'm the first (but won't be the last) to tell you your reasoning ability is severely challenged.
BTW, it may interest you to know we've always had sidewalks and I'd bet ours are cleared long before yours every single time it snows.
You just can't stand the fact that people have the adudacity to complain about something ridiculous. Your heroes live for complaining and that's fine with you. So let's see, complaining about stupid things is great unless it's about something your heo's brought up. Which bring us right back to the sidewalks. DUMB, DUMB, AND DUMBER.
Have a nice day.
6:46-
You wrote "first time someone falls in." Falls in where? The great abyss of minds like safety expert Paul Esslinger or his mouthpiece Kent Monte?!?! Nobody could ever sue over that. They'd never find their way out to be able to do so.
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